The Social-Engineer Podcast Ep. 143- Empathetic Hugs with Ida Ngambeki
In this episode of the Social-Engineer podcast, Chris Hadnagy and Maxie Reynolds are joined by Dr. Ida Ngambeki, an Assistant Professor of Computer and Information Technology at Purdue University. Listen in as they discuss importance of empathy and the best ways to teach social engineering. April 12, 2021
00:00 – Intro
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03:25 – Introduction to Dr. Ida Ngambeki
04:20 – How Ida got into social engineering
08:45 – Teaching the next generation of social engineers
11:30 – Teaching the distinct aspects of social engineering
17:05 – The difference between a pentester and a malicious actor
19:01 – The importance of bias and assumptions
20:36 – Ida’s unconventional path to social engineering expertise
24:42 – The importance of empathy in security education
27:50 – The three aspects of empathy
30:04 – Diversity in the information security industry
34:22 – Chris getting held at gunpoint
39:50 – The problem with fear-based pretexts
42:32 - Ida’s industry mentors
Donna Riley
Demitra Evangelou
Melisa Dark
Alejandrah Magana
William Gratiano
Mark Rogers
45:14 – Ida's book recommendations
The Secret Lives of Baba Segi's Wives
47:59 – Ida's contact info
49:23 – Maxie's book
The Art of Attack: Attacker Mindset for Security Professionals
51:02 - Outro