It feels impossible to overstate just how strongly we feel about this one. In an especially vulnerable conversation, Lauren Barnett and Jonathan Martin talk death, disinformation, and revival. In the wake of the recent loss of Lauren's mother, we are invited to consider that the stakes of how we discern/commute/transmit information, may ACTUALLY be life and death. This conversation wanders onto very sacred ground...and yet is somehow, really, really funny!?

Lauren shares from her experience of grief, honoring the legacy of her mother, while calling into question the impact of alt media on mental health and spirituality, the emotional toll of civic engagement, and the role of algorithms in creating division--particularly how they affect our elders. Along the way, they talk about Lauren's experience coming up in Jonathan's youth group (better known now as Steph Curry's youth group, ha) and later the church he led; as well as her crucial work with the Expectations Project, the challenges facing public education, and the pervasive influence of misinformation and Christian nationalism.

What more could you ask from one conversation? Seriously, we think to watch/hear this one...is to be altered.