Brian's guest on this podcast is Dr. Kathryn Helleman, Director of Institutional Assessment and Planning and Adjunct Professor in Christian Ethics at Winebrenner Theological Seminary.   Brian and Kathryn discuss the nature of ethical positions, dealing with reality, and how to coach around it. They deal with the questions:

• What tips you off that there may be an ethical position to coach around?
• When should your ethical position as a coach trump the coaching mindset that honors the client's agenda?