Episode 15: The new primacy of economic power: how data is reshaping geopolitics

John Raine, IISS Senior Adviser for Geopolitical Due Diligence, speaks with Dr Kori Schake in this episode of Sounds Strategic.The dynamics underpinning the international order are in a time of flux. John and Kori discuss the shifting state of geopolitics, where economic interdependence both enables and restrains states and empowers companies to become globally influential.With a long and successful career in the UK Foreign Service, John is uniquely placed to understand and explain the historic shifts in global economic, political and military power that have been occurring over recent years. For John, economic power has taken on a new primacy in the modern age, with deeply interdependent countries competing at unprecedented levels within the economic system. The number and type of actors within this system have also multiplied, with John advocating a need for companies to develop their own foreign policies as their influence begins to surpass that of governments. The mass collection of data has played a crucial role in empowering corporations, and John and Kori discuss how this may affect our understanding of privacy and civil liberties. This is a truly engaging discussion on the future of geopolitics at a time of historic change.Date of recording: 4 July 2019Sounds Strategic is recorded and produced at the IISS in London.Theme music: ‘Safety in Numbers’ by We Were Promised Jetpacks.

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