In this episode Toby chats with Hole drummer Patty Schemel. They talk surviving covid, touring and substance abuse, channeling anger into drums and music, different genres, Seattle, drugs, Nirvana, Kurt, Hole, rehab, getting burned out, moving to LA and getting clean, working with Billy Corgan, getting kicked off the new record and quitting Hole, relapsing, The Licks, hitting rock-bottom and going into sober living, getting sober and working with dogs, Hole reunion, Upset, her memoir, her daughter, cancel culture, tiktok trends, vegan and the documentary.

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