This week, Vanessa and special guest (and friend) Micaela Blei explore the theme of Friendship in Chapter Two of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix! They discuss Arthur's role in Harry's life, Petunia's howler, and the object permanence issues we sometimes face with our friendships. Throughout the episode we consider the question: how can we better support our friends?

Thank you to Martha for this week’s voicemail! Next week we're reading Chapter 3, The Advance Guard, through the theme of Deception.

Learn more about our upcoming What Matters course, and Micaela's role at Not Sorry here!

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