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The Insight by Oaktree Capital

Conversations: Full Return World with Howard Marks and Armen Panossian

Nov 2, 2023
Howard Marks (Co-Chairman) and Armen Panossian (Head of Performing Credit) discuss the implications of a potential sea change in the investment environment, tail risks in today's markets, and the concept of a full return world. They also explore the risks of higher interest rates, opportunities for opportunistic investors, and share their biggest surprises in the economy and stock market.
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Quick takeaways

  • Investors should acknowledge and adjust their strategies to the end of the era of declining and ultra-low interest rates.
  • Higher interest rates pose challenges for capital structures and private credit, necessitating careful analysis and selection of investment opportunities.

Deep dives

The Sea Change Thesis and Its Significance

The podcast discusses Howard Marks' memo on 'Sea Change' and explains the significance of this concept. The sea change refers to a major and possibly lasting development in interest rates, which have been low or declining since 1980, with occasional exceptions. Marks emphasizes that this is not a normal cyclical fluctuation, but a once-in-a-lifetime occurrence that will have far-reaching implications for GDP growth, ease of financing, defaults, bankruptcies, and prospective returns. He highlights that the era of declining and ultra-low interest rates may be coming to an end, urging investors to acknowledge this significant shift and adjust their strategies accordingly.

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