Stephen Roach is the founder of The Breath & the Clay Creative Arts Organization, host of Makers & Mystics podcast, author, and a multi-instrument professional musician.

In today's episode, I talk with Stephen about the role music plays in the flow state, altered states of consciousness, and what Charismatics might call "encountering the Presence of God" in worship.

We discuss examples of altered states of consciousness in the Bible, Christian theories of consciousness, psychedelics, evolution, and following the Way of Jesus in a Post Secular Age.

Check out Stephen's "Makers & Mystics" podcast here: http://www.makersandmystics.com/

Find out more about The Breath and The Clay here: http://www.thebreathandtheclay.com/

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