In this episode, we discuss with the ontology of reality with Andrés Gómez Emilsson from the Qualia Research Institute, Daniel Ingram from the Emergent Phenomenology Research Consortium (EPRC), and Frank Yang (body-builder turned meditator). This conversation was very fruitful, given that Daniel and Frank are advanced and accomplished meditators with a vast experience base that informs their understanding of what is possible in the realm of consciousness. We explore various QRI paradigms and test their explanatory power and consistency with the first-person experience of Daniel and Frank.