Simon Schama on Pandemics and the Health of Nations, Part One
Oct 21, 2023
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Simon Schama, bestselling author and historian, discusses his new epic history of pandemics, vaccines, and the health of nations. Topics include personal experiences leading up to the pandemic, the role of science in navigating the crisis, the battle between enlightenment and human instinct, and the history of inoculation and the role of women.
Women played a crucial role in popularizing smallpox inoculation in the 1750s, challenging opposition and contributing to its acceptance.
Val de Ma'ath Kean, a Jewish doctor, made significant contributions to immunization, developing a viable cholera vaccine and paving the way for advances in immunization against various diseases.
Deep dives
The Origins of Inoculation and the Role of Women
The podcast episode discusses the origins of inoculation against smallpox and the role women played in promoting it. The episode highlights the story of Lady Mary Wortley Montagu, who observed the practice of inoculation in the Ottoman Empire and later became a vocal advocate for it in England. Despite facing opposition, particularly from the clergy, Lady Montagu and other women played a crucial role in popularizing inoculation, eventually leading to its acceptance in the 1750s. The podcast also explores the practice of smallpox inoculation in other regions, such as Wales and Hebridean islands, which challenged established medical hierarchies.
Val de Ma'ath Kean and His Contributions to Immunization
The podcast delves into the life and work of Val de Ma'ath Kean, a Jewish doctor from Odessa who made significant contributions to the field of immunization. Kean's background as a secular Jew in Tsarist Russia and his involvement in the armed protection of the Jewish community against pogroms are highlighted. The podcast discusses how Kean ended up at the Pasteur Institute in Paris, where he worked on developing a viable cholera vaccine. Through meticulous research, Kean produced a live vaccine and tested it on himself and others, paving the way for advances in immunization against cholera and other diseases.
The Persistence of Primal Instincts and Irrationality in Human Nature
The podcast episode explores a central theme throughout history: the paradox of human ingenuity coexisting with irrationality and primal instincts. It suggests that despite advancements in science and education, humans continue to exhibit primitive behaviors and beliefs. Examples are given, such as the resistance to vaccines and the persistence of superstitions and fears. The episode discusses how this duality has shaped historical events, including the French Revolution and the rise of nationalism, and how it continues to impact society's response to epidemics and pandemics.
The Challenges of Global Health Cooperation
The podcast touches upon the challenges of fostering cooperation in global public health initiatives. The founding of the World Health Organization (WHO) in 1948 is highlighted as an early attempt to address global health issues, emphasizing the need for nations to prioritize global self-interest over national self-interest. However, the podcast discusses how the COVID-19 pandemic has revealed the limitations of international collaboration, as wealthier nations prioritize their own vaccine supplies and withdraw from global warning systems. The episode highlights the ongoing struggle to balance national interests with the greater global health community.
For this first episode of a two-part discussion, bestselling author, historian and broadcaster Simon Schama discusses Foreign Bodies, his new epic history of vulnerable humanity caught between the terror of contagion and the ingenuity of science. Produced in partnership with the British Library, the talk looks at how the narrative of cities and countries engulfed by panic and death, desperate for vaccines but fearful of what inoculation may bring, is one we have seen before in the past as well as during the Covid-19 pandemic. Joining Schama in conversation is our host, Kavita Puri, the award-winning journalist, broadcaster and author of Partition Voices: Untold British Stories.
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