The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg Patriots and Loyalists | Interview: Ken Burns
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Jan 12, 2026 
Ken Burns, a legendary American documentary filmmaker known for his works on the Civil War and the American Revolution, joins Jonah Goldberg for an enlightening discussion. They delve into the importance of historical narratives and George Washington's pivotal role. The conversation tackles the complexity of loyalty during the Revolution, the global significance of American independence, and how early abolitionism began to take shape. Burns emphasizes the need for a nuanced understanding of history, blending military and political narratives to enrich storytelling.
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Restraint Shapes Historical Narrative
- Ken Burns emphasizes the importance of negative space and disciplined editing in historical storytelling.
- He removes tempting contemporary rhymes to avoid distracting political readings of his films.
The Patriot–Loyalist Question Is Contextual
- Burns frames "Would you be a patriot or loyalist?" as the central question of the Revolution.
- He stresses context: people's choices shifted with local danger, occupation, and property stakes.
Revolution As Violent And Persuasive Process
- The Revolution was bloody and contested, not a swift, gallant affair.
- Occupation, foraging, and abuses turned many colonists into patriots over time.
