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Unprecedented, Unusual, Challenging Economy More Bifurcated Than Ever | Michael Kantrowitz

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Jul 13, 2025
Michael Kantrowitz, Chief Investment Strategist at Piper Sandler, introduces his innovative HOPE framework for assessing economic health. He delves into the evolving landscape of the post-COVID economy, highlighting the stark disparities in sectors like housing. The conversation covers consumer behavior shifts, emphasizing how affluent spending is slowing. Kantrowitz also discusses the intricate ties between market indices and fundamentals, urging a strategic approach in navigating today's bifurcated economic environment. Tune in for insights on what 2025 may hold!
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Why The Market's Calm Today Masks Hidden Risks Ahead

The economy remains uniquely bifurcated with strong winners like AI sectors and weak areas like housing showing regional disparities.

Michael Kantrowitz explains the HOPE framework to track economic health (Housing, Orders, Profits, Employment) and shows many indicators stuck around neutral levels, reflecting a sideways and slow-moving economy.

He warns that the market is well-positioned for earnings to grind higher but valuations are elevated, making the market vulnerable to shocks or surprises that could provoke sharp downturns.

Kantrowitz advises positioning portfolios towards larger, fundamentally strong companies and emphasizes active management to find alpha, given increasing bifurcation and idiosyncratic risks.

He stresses markets go down not because they are "expensive" but because "something bad happens," mostly via rate shocks, employment spikes, or exogenous shocks like tariffs.

> Markets don't go down because they're expensive. They go down because something bad happens. — Michael Kantrowitz

INSIGHT

Unusual, Bifurcated Economy

  • The economy remains unusual and bifurcated due to COVID's impact but shows overall stability at a high level.
  • Some sectors, like housing, are weak while others, such as AI, remain strong and growing.
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HOPE Framework Signals No Recession End

  • The HOPE framework tracks economic health through Housing, Orders, Profits, and Employment.
  • Housing weakness continues without a rebound, indicating no recession end yet; the economy is still circling the runway.
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