
The Documentary Podcast From American Pastor to Whirling Dervish
Feb 4, 2026
Ismail Fenter, a former Christian minister turned Mevlevi whirling dervish and translator of Rumi, tells how Rumi’s poetry pulled him from Los Angeles to Konya. He discusses the semah ritual as prayer, the symbolism of the sikke and fana, daily life as a modern dervish, and his work translating the Masnavi into contemporary English.
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Sema Is Devotion Not Dance
- Sema is not a performance but a devotional practice of receiving from God and giving to the world.
- The ritual symbolizes spiritual transformation: receive with the right hand, give with the left, and bless others as you turn.
The Hat As A Symbol Of Ego Death
- The sikke (tall hat) worn by dervishes represents a gravestone and symbolizes 'dying before you die' or annihilation of the ego (fana).
- This outward symbol signals the inner goal of shedding ego to experience divine unity.
Keep A Daily Practice
- Maintain a daily spiritual practice: prayer, recitations (Evradi Sherifeh), and service to family and community.
- Integrate being a dervish into normal life rather than wearing special clothes in public.





