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Ep. 156: Algorithms won't get us to AGI | Johannes Jaeger

Apr 9, 2024

Dr. Johannes Jaeger discusses the differences between organisms and machines, the limitations of algorithms in achieving AGI, the importance of biological principles in AI and evolution, exploring agency in AI and biological organisms, and reevaluating fundamental questions in biology, philosophy, and AI research.

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Johannes Jaeger

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AI lacks true general intelligence and agency compared to natural organisms.

Living organisms' self-manufacturing process involves complex interactions, contrasting with AI's design.

Living organisms exhibit intrinsic motivation and adaptability, unlike AI reliant on external target functions.

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AI Critique by Johannes Yeager

Johannes Yeager, a biologist and philosopher, challenges prevalent views on AI's potential dangers. He argues that current AI lacks true general intelligence and agency, contrasting it with the complexity of natural organisms' interactions with the environment.

Computation vs. Simulation

05:09

The Importance of Questioning AI Development

00:47

Organisms vs. Machines

03:31

Organismic vs. Algorithmic Agency

01:25

Introduction

2min

Exploring the Distinction Between Organisms and Machines in the AI Debate

3min

Organisms vs. Algorithms: Bridging the Divide

19min

Unpacking the Pan-Computational Paradigm and AI Limitations

16min

Exploring the Limits of Algorithms and Agency in AI Development

2min

Exploring Agency in Biological Organisms and AI

16min

Reevaluating Fundamental Questions in Biology, Philosophy, and AI Research

5min

Dr. Johannes Jaeger is a systems scientist, evolutionary biologist, educator, and natural philosopher with an extremely transdisciplinary track record. His investigations, first as the head of an empirical lab, later as the director of an institute for the philosophy of biology, and then as a freelance investigator, have always focused on organisms as complex adaptive systems. He is currently leading a research project at the Dept of Philosophy of the University of Vienna called “Pushing the Boundaries,” which concerns the differences between machines and organisms, and the importance of this difference for evolution. He is associate faculty at the Complexity Science Hub (CSH) Vienna, and a scholar at the Ronin Institute.

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FUTURATI PODCAST

Ep. 156: Algorithms won't get us to AGI | Johannes Jaeger

Episode guests

Podcast summary created with Snipd AI

Quick takeaways

Deep dives

AI Critique by Johannes Yeager

Organisms' Self-Construction and Differentiation

Embodiment and Interaction with the World

Adapting to a Large World and Ambiguity

AI's Limitations in Agency and Environmental Interaction

Computation vs. Simulation

The Importance of Questioning AI Development

Organisms vs. Machines

Organismic vs. Algorithmic Agency

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