Freedomain with Stefan Molyneux 5917 Rogan Smith Murray Debate!
Apr 12, 2025
01:23:33
11 April 2025 Friday Night Live
Watch the first 20 minutes of the debate being analysed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah6kirkSwTg&t=20s
DOUGLAS MURRAY
DAVE SMITH
JOE ROGAN
Expertise: If you freeform for 2 hours on US foreign policy, you are implicitly communicating expertise. I don't know much about Armenian history, so I can't do 2 hours, or anything close.
If someone says: You do not have the rigor of an expert, the answer is not to say: I never claimed to be an expert. The answer is: What is an EXPERT?
Credentialism is dead. Douglas Murray has an undergrad in English.
Big things experts got wrong.
- COVID / VACCINE
- GLOBAL WARMING
- MELTING POT
- IQ RESEARCH
- Psychotropics
- Replication crisis in science
- Not moving heaven and earth to find the source of autism - although diagnosis has gone up with government money for autism
- Media bias - they are 'experts' who claim to be unbiased, and are ridiculously biased
- Feminism - supposed to be about female equality, had morphed into female supremacy, 58.6% in university for instance
- immigration
- welfare state
- depopulation VS WE NEED IMMIGRATION
- intransigence
"Mad in America"
A lot of podcasters come out of frustration with 'experts' - if you like your doctor, you don't go looking for a new doctor
When experts are faced with growing competition (me VS NYT or CNN) what do they do?
I come from the business world, where competition drives innovation - I wrote programs that let end users change the entire system.
You never badmouthed competitors, you positioned your strengths against their weaknesses, learned from them and would never try to get them cancelled by lying about them.
The media/political world is wild - evil compared to business
When we are at Vegas, at conferences, we would go to competitors booths and joke with them - like sports. VS Tonya Harding
Well, media/politics work to get you deplatformed
A lot of people in business had done sports - media, not so much
Murray was talking to Joe, not Dave - to deplatform competitors rather than striving to understand what gives them appeal and an audience, and work to win over their audience. We tried to win over competitors customers in the business world.
BOB IS A MEAN PODCASTER!
Hostility and contempt from Murray was fascinating - I think it comes from despair - we can't save or help people, so silencing them is the only course of action, either because I don't have a good answer, or because the other audience is too dumb and bigoted.
Anti-democratic of course, people can't choose their own podcasts but they can choose their own political leaders.
I didn't advocate for silencing other philosophers - I just tried to win over their audience.
Can you talk about places you've not visited?
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Watch the first 20 minutes of the debate being analysed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah6kirkSwTg&t=20s
DOUGLAS MURRAY
DAVE SMITH
JOE ROGAN
Expertise: If you freeform for 2 hours on US foreign policy, you are implicitly communicating expertise. I don't know much about Armenian history, so I can't do 2 hours, or anything close.
If someone says: You do not have the rigor of an expert, the answer is not to say: I never claimed to be an expert. The answer is: What is an EXPERT?
Credentialism is dead. Douglas Murray has an undergrad in English.
Big things experts got wrong.
- COVID / VACCINE
- GLOBAL WARMING
- MELTING POT
- IQ RESEARCH
- Psychotropics
- Replication crisis in science
- Not moving heaven and earth to find the source of autism - although diagnosis has gone up with government money for autism
- Media bias - they are 'experts' who claim to be unbiased, and are ridiculously biased
- Feminism - supposed to be about female equality, had morphed into female supremacy, 58.6% in university for instance
- immigration
- welfare state
- depopulation VS WE NEED IMMIGRATION
- intransigence
"Mad in America"
A lot of podcasters come out of frustration with 'experts' - if you like your doctor, you don't go looking for a new doctor
When experts are faced with growing competition (me VS NYT or CNN) what do they do?
I come from the business world, where competition drives innovation - I wrote programs that let end users change the entire system.
You never badmouthed competitors, you positioned your strengths against their weaknesses, learned from them and would never try to get them cancelled by lying about them.
The media/political world is wild - evil compared to business
When we are at Vegas, at conferences, we would go to competitors booths and joke with them - like sports. VS Tonya Harding
Well, media/politics work to get you deplatformed
A lot of people in business had done sports - media, not so much
Murray was talking to Joe, not Dave - to deplatform competitors rather than striving to understand what gives them appeal and an audience, and work to win over their audience. We tried to win over competitors customers in the business world.
BOB IS A MEAN PODCASTER!
Hostility and contempt from Murray was fascinating - I think it comes from despair - we can't save or help people, so silencing them is the only course of action, either because I don't have a good answer, or because the other audience is too dumb and bigoted.
Anti-democratic of course, people can't choose their own podcasts but they can choose their own political leaders.
I didn't advocate for silencing other philosophers - I just tried to win over their audience.
Can you talk about places you've not visited?
GET MY NEW BOOK 'PEACEFUL PARENTING', THE INTERACTIVE PEACEFUL PARENTING AI, AND THE FULL AUDIOBOOK!
https://peacefulparenting.com/
Join the PREMIUM philosophy community on the web for free!
Subscribers get 12 HOURS on the "Truth About the French Revolution," multiple interactive multi-lingual philosophy AIs trained on thousands of hours of my material - as well as AIs for Real-Time Relationships, Bitcoin, Peaceful Parenting, and Call-In Shows!
You also receive private livestreams, HUNDREDS of exclusive premium shows, early release podcasts, the 22 Part History of Philosophers series and much more!
See you soon!
https://freedomain.locals.com/support/promo/UPB2025