Michael talks to homeland security and disaster expert Juliette Kayyem, now a lecturer at the Harvard Kennedy School. Author of "Security Mom" and "The Devil Never Sleeps", her latest piece in The Atlantic is "Rethinking ‘Run, Hide, Fight’: Our mass-shooting guidance may be woefully out of date." Original air date 22 November 2022. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com
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