

What’s NATO without America?
Jun 24, 2025
Deborah Haynes, Security and Defence Editor at Sky News and host of 'The War Game,' joins to discuss the NATO summit in The Hague. They explore the push for a controversial 5% defense spending goal amid rising geopolitical tensions. Haynes highlights concerns over European reliance on U.S. military support, especially with shifting U.S. priorities. The conversation also touches on the potential implications of a hypothetical Russian attack on the UK and the responses from NATO allies, emphasizing the urgency of national security discussions.
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NATO's Defence Spending Goal
- NATO aims for 5% GDP defence spending by 2035, a significant increase from the 2% target in 2014.
- This figure is inflated by including broader security and resilience spending, not just core defence budgets.
US Support Crucial for Europe
- Europe heavily relies on US military technology and intelligence, like satellite feeds for targeting.
- Without US support, European military capabilities diminish considerably.
US Focus Shifts to Asia-Pacific
- US focus is shifting from Europe to the Asia-Pacific due to China's rising power.
- Europeans must increase defence efforts as US presence in NATO likely reduces over time.