This month Lemi Hayashi and Heidi Ambrosius join the show to recap the 2023 NAPEC conference that took place in November in Burbank, CA. They discuss the value of attending, the value of presenting, what some of their favorite sessions were, and what is in store for the conference going forward. As always, this episode is brought to you by www.justadapti.com, the most robust site on the internet for APE teachers. Be sure to go and check it out!