Defence & Security Podcast Network Australia's role in a multipolar world with Mike Pezzullo and Ross Babbage
Oct 16, 2025
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In this episode of the Defence Connect Podcast, host Steve Kuper is joined by Mike Pezzullo, former secretary of the Department of Home Affairs, and Ross Babbage, CEO of Strategic Forum and a Non-Resident Senior Fellow of the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, to discuss Australia's role and challenges in the deteriorating global order.
The trio discuss a range of issues facing Australia and the broader Western alliance network at a time when authoritarian powers are on the march across the globe, including:- The triumph and importance of American power in securing a peace deal between Israel and Palestine that has continued to rage since 7 October 2023.
- Predictions about Prime Minister Anthony Albanese's first official bilateral meeting with US President Donald Trump.
- Mounting political and public concern about Australia's lack of economic complexity and industrial capacity and its impact on national security and sovereignty.
- Real world examples of reindustrialisation in action across the United States and other like-minded nations that can provide models for Australia to emulate.
- Policy measures our leaders can implement to facilitate the rebuilding of Australia's industrial base and enhance our national security.