

Welcome Disturbance with Anne Stadler and Peggy Holman
When we hear the words ‘welcome disturbance’ what typically happens to us is that we have resistance. This is deeply engrained in our lives thanks to a strong cultural tendency to fear change. It’s been educated into us. We think it’s who we truly are but it’s not; we are resilient and adaptive and we need to remember all this in order to activate our self-organizing capacities and future potentials. Buckminster Fuller reminds us in his famous quote which is so on point here, that “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.” In the next 70 minutes we’re going to be pointing our navigation system toward that new model, new capacities to embody that new model and inspiration for how to share it wherever we go. It gets so simple. This next episode is special for several reasons, one is because it’s full of wisdom of how we can create capacities for being more resilient, dissolving that tendency toward an immunity to change. In order to create profound change in the world we have to be comfortable with change, we have to welcome the discomfort and stay curious and open. Another reason why this is so special is because this dialogue is with two masters of process who both have been mentors of mine going back to 2005. My life was profoundly impacted by them both. They are Anne Stadler and Peggy Holman. And the one deepest to my heart in this moment is because Anne left this planet only weeks ago. This deep and nurturing dialogue happened last August and now I’m releasing it only weeks after Anne journeyed on. Her bright radiant spirit is still with so many of us. She lived and gifted us with her brilliance for 92 years. She impacted so many people in so many ways as you will see. I hope you will also feel the deep resonance of her bright presence. Our conversation was recorded 15 months ago and is just now being released. Both Anne and Peggy are elders and masters in Open Space Technology (OST) and they have brought a deep wisdom to every gathering they convened and every space they opened. I was blessed to be at many of these and they had a huge impact on my training because I was essentially I was being trained by masters. I didn’t really know that at the time. Only with hindsight do I see the kind of perfection of the divine design of my life. As I listened to this conversation again, my heart beamed with gratitude that I had this interview available to share with the world - to reveal the combined genius of Anne and Peggy. Who are these amazing women? Here is a short bio of each (longer bios are on the show notes). Anne is a pioneering elder. Her 61 years of work have included co-creative community building; facilitating self-organizing leadership and organizational development; and award winning television production. She was the volunteer Founding Director of Friends of Third Place Commons.
Peggy is the Co-Author of The Change Handbook which profiles 61 practices that engage people in creating their desired future. She’s also the author of the award-winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into Opportunity that offers a roadmap for tackling complex challenges through stories, principles, and practices. Co-founder of Journalism That Matters, a nonprofit that supports and equips the adventurers who transform relationships between communities and journalism for a strong, inclusive democracy. You can check out the longer bios on the website awakeningtogether.one or in the show notes on the various platforms! Do subscribe and share and share a review wherever you are inspired.
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