Dave Thomas joins Dave Farley in the "Engineering Room" to talk about agile vs waterfall, how software developers ought to look at software testing and gets deep into some of the interesting edges of programming, like algebraic effects, state and immutability and implementing monadic do blocks.

Dave Thomas a.k.a. Prag Dave, is one of the authors of the influential software engineering book 'The Pragmatic Programmer'. He's also one of the original authors and signatories of the agile manifesto, an experienced speaker and a thought leader within the software community.

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