Collin Hansen and Russ Ramsey explore the profound relationship between art, suffering, and hope. They discuss Ramsey's book, Van Gogh Has a Broken Heart, and how art reflects our struggles and the beauty that emerges from pain, using examples from Van Gogh and Norman Rockwell. Ramsey emphasizes the importance of understanding art as a means of storytelling and a companion in our experiences of grief and joy. And he offers practical advice for engaging with art in museums, highlighting the accessibility of art beyond high culture.