Hour 2 of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show continues the deep dive into the Venezuelan drug boat strike controversy and the political firestorm surrounding Secretary of War Pete Hegseth. The discussion kicks off with legal analysis on the phrase “finish them off”, clarifying whether it referred to destroying the boat or targeting survivors. Former Assistant Secretary of State and Navy intelligence officer Bobby Charles joins the conversation, offering expert insight into rules of engagement, the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), and historical precedents for counternarcotics operations. He asserts that the strikes were lawful under U.S. policy and international law, emphasizing that narco-terrorist boats are legitimate targets as designated Foreign Terrorist Organizations.

The hour explores why the Trump administration’s communication strategy has faltered, allowing Democrats and media outlets like The Washington Post to frame the narrative as a potential war crime. Clay and Buck argue that clear messaging—supported by existing legal opinions—could neutralize the controversy and prevent political damage. They stress that the real story is deterrence: Trump’s aggressive maritime strategy aims to cripple cartel operations and reduce fentanyl trafficking, which kills over 100,000 Americans annually.

Listeners weigh in with passionate calls, debating war crimes, rules of war, and presidential authority. Some callers defend Trump’s hardline approach, while others question the legality of targeting non-uniformed combatants. A retired Air Force colonel shares firsthand experience from the decades-long war on drugs, comparing current maritime strikes to past air interdiction missions. Another caller highlights the political motive behind the attacks on Hegseth, framing it as a deliberate effort by the left to delegitimize key Trump cabinet members.

The conversation also touches on broader geopolitical stakes, including Venezuela’s instability, the potential for regime change, and historical lessons from deterrence versus appeasement. Clay and Buck underscore that Democrats want this story to dominate headlines instead of Biden’s failures on border security and the chaotic Afghan withdrawal. Hour 2 closes with a preview of upcoming interviews and continued listener engagement on this high-stakes national security issue.

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