We speak with Abdullah Shihipar about the state of the pandemic as cases rise once again, the recent CDC study showing 140,000 children have lost a parent or caregiver to the pandemic, and how to resist the omnipresent social pressure to give up and accept covid. Abdullah Shihipar is a contributing writer for Business Insider and leads Narrative Projects and Policy Impact initiatives at the People, Place & Health Collective (PPHC) at the Brown University School of Public Health. Read Abdullah's piece on covid, kids, and their caregivers here: https://www.businessinsider.com/children-kids-lost-parents-covid-19-biden-mental-health-2021-11 As always, support Death Panel at www.patreon.com/deathpanelpod new Death Panel merch here (patrons get a discount code): www.deathpanel.net/merch join our Discord here: discord.com/invite/3KjKbB2