The Brian Lehrer Show COP30 Forges Ahead Without the United States
Nov 11, 2025
In this discussion, Mark Hertsgaard, a journalist and climate advocate, and Paula DiPerna, a policy consultant and climate economist, delve into the crucial COP30 summit in Brazil despite the U.S. absence. They explore how global investment in clean technologies is evolving, driven by affordable solar innovations. The duo examines whether progress can continue without U.S. participation, highlighting the importance of local leadership. With insights on climate challenges and the intricate nature of policy implementation, they emphasize the urgency of collective action.
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U.S. Absence Can Reduce Obstruction
- Christiana Figueres said the U.S. absence may help COP30 because U.S. officials recently acted obstructively.
- Mark Hertsgaard reported many delegates feel progress is easier without an obstructive U.S. federal presence.
Markets Are Racing Toward Renewables
- Figueres and Hertsgaard say global private investment now favors clean energy over fossil fuels.
- Cheap solar from China and falling renewables costs are driving adoption worldwide.
Costs Must Count Who Pays
- Paula DiPerna argues cost claims must compare like with like and include who bears damages.
- She emphasizes that climate costs often fall on people and ecosystems, not policymakers or GDP metrics.
