Money Talks: Capitalism Extremists In the Trump 2.0 Era
Feb 4, 2025
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Quinn Slobodian, a historian at Boston University and author of "Crack-Up Capitalism," dives into the drastic intertwining of capitalism and politics in today's climate. He reveals the alarming ambitions of Silicon Valley elites during Trump’s second term and their vision of a democracy-free capitalist society. The discussion broaches topics like the rise of a startup-like governance model, the impact of big tech on political allegiance, and the tension between economic freedom and democratic values in contemporary policy-making.
The podcast discusses how Peter Thiel's vision of capitalism champions autonomy from democratic structures, indicating a growing tension between economic freedom and governance.
It examines the contrasting political strategies of Trump's administration and Silicon Valley elites, highlighting a shift towards decentralized governance influenced by capital interests.
Deep dives
Peter Thiel and the Idea of Capitalist Autonomy
Peter Thiel's vision, as discussed in the conversation, suggests that democracy and economic freedom can be incompatible. He propagated the idea of creating new polities through initiatives like the Seasteading Institute, aimed at establishing autonomous communities on decommissioned oil rigs and other platforms. This concept of 'exit' from traditional political structures reflects a broader desire among Silicon Valley elites to reshape governance in alignment with their economic interests. The shift from founding new states to attempting to take control of existing ones, particularly aligned with Trump administration goals, indicates a strategic pivot for those seeking to impose their vision on a larger scale.
Decentralization and Competition Among States
Silicon Valley's approach now involves viewing the United States as a collection of diverse jurisdictions rather than a singular centralized entity. This perspective allows for competition among states, encouraging various regions to develop unique regulatory frameworks to attract capital and investment. The push towards decentralizing authority and governance echoes the desire for localized control over broader policies, akin to how small city-states operate in places like Singapore and Dubai. By empowering states to compete with one another, this model favors flexibility and responsiveness, which contrasts with traditional federal authority.
Implications of Centralized Power Under Trump
The dynamic between Trump's centralized decision-making and the decentralized impulses of groups like Thiel's creates a tension in how policies are executed and whom they benefit. While Trump's administration showcases a strong executive leadership style, it often leads to uneven policy outcomes across different geographical areas, reinforcing inequality. This tension highlights the implicit belief that a strong leader can dictate terms in a way that caters more favorably to capital interests than to the public good. Thus, the technocratic vision of governance, championed by Silicon Valley financiers, invites further scrutiny on the actual implications for democratic processes.
Exploring the Return to High Imperialism
Trump's desires to annex territories such as Greenland and the Panama Canal hark back to an era of imperialism where borders could be redrawn under the guise of real estate deals. This approach disrupts long-standing norms of national sovereignty and self-determination, as seen historically in various imperial pursuits. The episode positions Trump's actions within the context of global governance struggles, paralleling aggressive foreign policies evident in recent geopolitical conflicts. By treating international relations as a series of transactions, Trump embodies the dynamics of a real estate mogul rather than a traditional statesman, further unsettling the global order.
In this Money Talks: Historian Quinn Slobodian’s 2023 book Crack-Up Capitalism: Market Radicals and the Dream of a World Without Democracy explored the dark reality that many extremists seek a purely capitalist society free of democracy. Now, with the Silicon Valley elite playing such a large role in Trump’s second term, Quinn's work is more relevant than ever. In this episode, Quinn joins Felix Salmon to discuss the relationship between radical tech billionaires and the Trump administration, and its potential consequences for our democracy.
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