The trailblazing and outspoken Eric Wynalda joins Kate Abdo, Clint Dempsey, Mo Edu and Charlie Davies to look back on a storied career that saw him play in three World Cups and become the first American-born player in Bundesliga history. And staying true to form, Eric lets his feelings on the current United States men’s national team known.

Unwanted (03:30): Being made to feel expendable by the Federation, run-ins with coach Bora Milutinović, being sent home from USMNT camp, getting a second chance in Germany.

Pioneer (12:15): Fighting for respect at Saarbrücken, flying the flag for American players, using 1990 World Cup as a springboard, accepting teammates but not expecting friendships.

Coaching (24:45): Thoughts on the Reyna-Berhalter fallout, what the role of the coach should be, the USMNT’s current brand of playing style.

Betrayal (38:57): Forgiving John Harkes, how the affair derailed the USMNT’s 1998 World Cup campaign.

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