#504 Why Catholics Aren’t Wrong about John 6 - Karlo Broussard
Sep 20, 2023
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Karlo Broussard, an apologist, explains why Catholics believe in the literal presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. He counters Protestant arguments against it and explores the reaction of the Jews and Jesus' disciples to his teaching in John 6.
The Catholic argument from John 6 is supported by the literal understanding of Jesus' audience and his lack of clarification, suggesting his intention for his words to be taken literally.
The Protestant objection regarding the disciples leaving Jesus in John 6 does not weaken the Catholic argument for the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, as Jesus' appeal to his ascension further underscores the difficulty and reality of this teaching.
Deep dives
The Catholic argument from John 6
The Catholic argument from John 6 revolves around three main premises. First, the fact that Jesus' audience understood him literally is evidenced by their reaction when he spoke about eating his flesh and drinking his blood. Both the Jews and his disciples struggled with this teaching, indicating they took it literally. Second, if Jesus meant his words metaphorically, he would have clarified his audience's misunderstanding, as he often did in other instances. However, Jesus did not offer a correction, suggesting he intended his words to be taken literally. Third, Jesus' appeal to his ascension, using it as evidence for the difficulty of his teaching, further indicates his literal intent. The Protestant counterclaims based on Jesus leaving the disciples due to their misunderstanding of other statements do not hold up. The disciples' difficulty with Jesus' teaching to eat his flesh and drink his blood is not relieved by the claim that Jesus meant it figuratively, but rather underscores the reality and challenges associated with this teaching.
Protestant response asserting Jesus leaving disciples due to claims of the Father's drawing
One Protestant response posits that the disciples left Jesus not because of his teaching to eat his flesh, but because he stated that no one can come to him unless the Father draws them. James White argues that the disciples' departure is an outcome of this latter statement. However, translating the Greek phrase 'haxu-2' as 'because of this' is problematic. It can also mean 'after this' in the temporal sense. Moreover, the claim that the disciples left due to Jesus' statement in verse 65 contradicts the absence of offense or negative response when Jesus made a similar statement in verse 44. Furthermore, if understanding this verse as causal were accurate, the disciples would only be relieved by Jesus' claim that the Father drew them. However, they leave, suggesting that this Protestant response is not supportable.
Response to the causal translation and the significance of Jesus' appeal to the ascension
Even if for the sake of argument, the causal translation because of this is accepted, it does not necessarily refer to the specific statement in verse 65. Instead, it could refer to the entirety of the previous discussion, which included the disciples struggling with Jesus' teaching on eating his flesh. Additionally, this response fails to address the significance of Jesus' appeal to his ascension. By using his upcoming miraculous ascension to underscore the reality of eating his flesh and drinking his blood, Jesus amplifies the difficulty of the teaching, rather than clarifying or relieving it. Thus, the Protestant objection regarding the disciples leaving Jesus in John 6 does not weaken the Catholic argument for the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist.
If Catholics are right about John 6, every Christian is under divine command to celebrate the Eucharist. So is the Catholic Church right? Karlo Broussard joins us to explain why Catholics aren’t wrong.
Cy Kellett:
Hello, and welcome to Focus, the Catholic Answers podcast for living, understanding, and defending your Catholic beliefs. A lot going on as far as the Eucharist goes. We have all this kind of bad news that we’ve had in recent years about Catholics not accepting the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, or maybe not even knowing the teaching, which is, in some ways, eq…
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