Jake and Phil are joined by Carlos Lozada to discuss his new book, What Were We Thinking: A Brief Intellectual History of the Trump Era, and the chapter "Decent People" from Garth Greenwell's Cleanness.
The Manifesto: Carlos Lozada, What Were We Thinking: A Brief Intellectual History of the Trump Era https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/What-Were-We-Thinking/Carlos-Lozada/9781982145620
The Art: Garth Greenwell, "Decent People" https://thesewaneereview.com/articles/decent-people
