In this surprising episode, The Reverend Fergus Butler-Gallie joins Matthew to discuss his humorous and moving book 'Touching Cloth: Confessions and communions of a young priest'. It is a conversation that touches on Fergus' experiences navigating an extraordinary institution, describes the nature of sacrificial leadership, and also asks us to consider lessons that can be learned from the past about leadership today.

https://www.penguin.co.uk/authors/288790/fergus-butler-gallie

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