Emily Thornberry and the Great China Spy Trial Mystery

Ken Macdonald KC and Tim Owen KC are joined by Chair of the Foreign Affairs Select Committee, Dame Emily Thornberry, to discuss the evidence given to the Joint Committee on the National Security Strategy by key individuals involved in the decisions to prosecute and ultimately abandon the Chinese Spying case (R v Cash and Berry). 

 

In a highly unusual public examination of the collapse of a politically sensitive prosecution only weeks before it was due to commence, the Joint Committee subjected DPP Stephen Parkinson, First Treasury Counsel Tom Little KC, Deputy National Security Adviser Matthew Collins and Attorney General Lord Hermer KC to detailed cross examination over some 4 ½ hours with a view to understanding what had changed since the charging decision in April 2024 to make the case against Messrs Cash and Berry impossible to continue as the DPP and Tom Little claimed.   

 

Did the judgment in the Russian spy case (R v Roussev) handed down in July 2024 really make any difference to the DPP’s ability to present a case under the Official Secrets Act 1911?  Given the clear and consistent evidence of China’s active threat to the safety and security of the UK during the indictment period as set out in Matt Collins’s three witness statements, why couldn’t a jury determine that China was in law “an enemy” for the purposes of the charge?  

 

And was Lord Hermer right to lay the blame for the collapse of the trial on the failure of the Conservative government speedily to replace the 1911 Act with an updated National Security Act as recommended by the Law Commission in 2017?

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Double Jeopardy is presented by Ken Macdonald KC, former Director of Public Prosecutions, and Tim Owen KC, as they break down the legal and political issues in Britain. From high-profile legal cases to the evolving state of British democracy, Double Jeopardy offers expert legal commentary on the most pressing topics in UK law, politics, and human rights.   

Ken Macdonald KC served as Director of Public Prosecutions from 2003-2008, shaping modern prosecutorial policy and advocating for the rule of law. He is a former Warden of Wadham College, Oxford, a crossbench member of the House of Lords, and a leading writer, commentator and broadcaster on politics and the rule of law.  Tim Owen KC has been involved in many of the most significant public, criminal and human rights law cases over the past four decades.  Both bring unparalleled experience from the frontline of Britain's legal and political landscape.   

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