Explore the fascinating connections between ancient Rome and modern American society. The conversation dissects how historical misinterpretations shape current immigration debates. Delve into the dangers of using history to support nationalism and xenophobia. The discussion also highlights the relevance of structural issues like income inequality, both in Rome's decline and today's political landscape. Tune in for insights on how the past can inform our understanding of present challenges.
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Misuse of Roman History
The right often misuses Roman history to justify current political stances, particularly regarding immigration.
Comparing immigrants to Goths and Huns is historically inaccurate and ignores Rome's strength during periods of integration.
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Integration and Strength
Rome's strength correlated with its openness to integrating new peoples and expanding citizenship.
Closing its borders and becoming xenophobic coincided with its decline.
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American Imperialism
Denials of America's imperial nature are disingenuous.
The US attracts immigrants because its economic policies draw global wealth within its borders.
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This book chronicles the years 146-78 BC, a period marked by the rise of economic inequality, social and ethnic prejudice, and rampant corruption, which ultimately led to the collapse of the Roman Republic. Duncan explores how men like Marius, Sulla, and the Gracchi brothers set new precedents that undermined the traditional principles of the Republic, leading it towards destruction. The book also draws parallels between the decline of the Roman Republic and contemporary political issues, highlighting the importance of maintaining democratic norms and addressing social and economic inequalities.
A stock rhetorical trope on the right is to invoke ancient Rome when talking about American decline—often making direct comparisons between the Goth invaders and contemporary immigrants, obsessing over homosexuality and Rome's fall, and more. If their understanding of history isn't very serious, what should we make of these appeals? And are there any "lessons" we should learn from Roman history?
There's no better time to take up such matters than while Matt is in Rome, and there was no one better for him to talk with about them than Mike Duncan, the prolific and brilliant history podcaster; he currently hosts the Revolutions podcast and, especially relevant for the purposes of this conversation, hosted the History of Romepodcast from 2007-2012, a project that led him to write The Storm Before the Storm: The Beginning of the End of the Roman Republic (2017). Matt and Mike discuss the use and abuse of history, how "norms" do and do not matter, the relationship between imperialist foreign policy and domestic politics, the perils of vast income inequality, then and now, and more.
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