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The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?
Jan 14, 2025
Jake Sullivan, National Security Advisor and key architect of Biden's foreign policy, discusses the challenges and evolution of U.S. foreign policy since Trump. He emphasizes the focus on creating a 'foreign policy for the middle class' and the complexities of dealing with China. Sullivan addresses the ongoing Ukraine conflict and the implications for Taiwan while debating the ethics of military aid to Israel. The conversation also touches on how Bidenism grapples with the resurgence of Trump, opening up discussions on evolving geopolitical landscapes.
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- The Biden administration's foreign policy was designed to benefit the middle class and restore trust in government amidst rising populism.
- Jake Sullivan emphasized that a competitive stance toward China involves bolstering alliances, aligning interests, and protecting U.S. economic practices.
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The Impact of 2016 on Democratic Strategy
The 2016 presidential election served as a pivotal moment for the Democratic Party, prompting a comprehensive reassessment of its policies and identity. Analysts noted that Donald Trump's victory highlighted significant disillusionment among voters, which led strategists to confront the disconnect between foreign and domestic policy. Jake Sullivan, a key advisor during the election, emphasized that the party needed to create a foreign policy that directly addressed the interests of the American middle class to prevent voters from turning to strongman alternatives. This marked the beginning of a major shift in strategy, framing foreign policy as intrinsically linked with domestic welfare.
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