Trans athletes have effectively been banned from elite swimming, because of a decision last week by the international governing body of the sport, FINA.

The decision and the document released by FINA could have an impact not just on swimmers, but on how other sports around the world handle participation and inclusion.

So, what does it say? How have the people it affects most – trans athletes – reacted? And what does the decision mean for other athletes starting their sporting journey?

Today, associate editor of The Saturday Paper Martin McKenzie-Murray and former women’s rugby player Caroline Layt.

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Guest: Associate editor for The Saturday Paper, Martin McKenzie-Murray

Elite athlete and journalist, Caroline Layt

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The ruling that could end trans inclusion in sport