Buddhas have more fun, with Bob Thurman and Dr. Thupten Jinpa
Jun 21, 2023
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Tibetan Buddhist scholars Bob Thurman and Dr. Thupten Jinpa discuss their friendship, the future of Buddhism, and the integration of science and religion. They reflect on their personal journeys, the challenges of adapting Buddhism to modernity, and the global influence of mindfulness and compassion. They also explore the importance of preserving Tibetan culture, the future of Tibetan Buddhism in the absence of the Dalai Lama, and ideas for creating a better world through movies and conscious consumption.
The future of Buddhism relies on its ability to adapt to modernity and incorporate scientific insights.
Bob Thurman has made significant contributions to Buddhism through translation, establishing Tibet House, and bridging Buddhism with science and philosophy.
Deep dives
The Future of Buddhism and Adaptation to Modernity
The future of Buddhism depends on the ability of traditionally Buddhist countries, like Thailand, Sri Lanka, Burma, Tibet, Korea, and Vietnam, to adapt to modernity. The incorporation of scientific insights into the Buddhist tradition is key to prevent it from getting stuck in the past. Buddhism's adaptable philosophy, lack of metaphysical beliefs, and focus on quality of life rather than material consumption make it attractive to the modern world. However, the survival of Buddhism in traditional Buddhist societies depends on adapting to changing times and needs, including issues of gender equality and hierarchical structures. Monasticism may also evolve, with possibilities like shorter monastic vows and monks learning skills relevant to modern life. The preservation of Tibetan Buddhism and its popularity worldwide can bring attention and support to the Tibetan cause.
The Contributions of Bob Thurman to Buddhism
Bob Thurman has made significant contributions to Buddhism, including the translation of major Indian Buddhist classics into contemporary language. He has produced many students who are now teaching and contributing to the field. Thurman has also established Tibet House in New York as a primary center for Tibetan culture and knowledge in North America. His work in bridging Buddhism with science and philosophy has been influential, fostering intellectual engagement between contemporary Western thought and Buddhism. He has been dedicated to sharing the wisdom and practices of Buddhism in a shared space, without the aim of converting people, but rather enriching their own traditions and promoting dialogue between Buddhism and science.
The Contributions of Jampal Namgyal to Buddhism
Jampal Namgyal has made significant contributions to Buddhism through his role as the Dalai Lama's translator and his dedication to preserving Tibetan Buddhist culture. He has been a close disciple of the Dalai Lama, contributing to our understanding of Tibetan Buddhist philosophy through translations and interpretations. Namgyal has also been involved in the establishment of institutions like Mind and Life, which promote dialogue between Buddhism and science. He emphasizes the need for Buddhism to adapt to modernity and incorporate scientific insights, while still offering its own unique practices, ideas, and insights to the world. His work aligns with the Dalai Lama's vision of not converting people, but enriching their own traditions and promoting global harmony.
The Future of Tibetan Buddhism and Predictions
The future of Tibetan Buddhism is predicted to involve its liberation and return to Tibet within the next 30 years. This is based on the belief that China will realize the futility of its current plan to be the world's superpower and will invite Tibetan Buddhism back to Tibet. This return would involve cultural sharing with India and potentially the formation of a United States of East Asia. The liberated Tibet would serve as a beacon for the world, promoting peace, spirituality, and ecological preservation. The future of Tibetan Buddhism, as with other Buddhist traditions, also depends on the ability to adapt to modernity and changing societal needs, such as gender equality and hierarchical structures.
Can two of the most influential Buddhist scholars, Dr. Thupten Jinpa and Bob Thurman, reveal the future of Buddhism and compassion? In this season opener of Harvest Series, podcast host Rose Claverie brings you an exclusive conversation between these esteemed thinkers. From their enduring friendship to their perspectives on Tibet-China relations and the evolution of monastic life, this episode delves into their profound insights and the transformative power of Buddhist teachings. Tune in for a thought-provoking discussion that bridges continents and ideologies.
Key Points:
[2:34] Enduring Friendship:
Explore the deep bond between Bob Thurman and Dr. Thupten Jinpa, highlighting their shared experiences and mutual respect for each other's contributions to Buddhism.
[6:15] Intellectual Discourse:
Delve into the topics typically discussed by Jinpa and Bob, including texts, terminologies, and the intricate relationship between religion and science.
[9:45] Shared Memories:
Reflect on the shared memories that have shaped their friendship, offering a glimpse into the personal side of their relationship.
[13:00] Jinpa's Journey:
Dr. Thupten Jinpa shares his remarkable personal story, from his decision to become a monk to his escape from his original monastery in South India, seeking intellectual challenges in another monastery.
[17:13] Contributions to Buddhism:
Discuss the significant contributions of Jinpa and Bob Thurman to Buddhism, including Bob's establishment of Tibet House in New York and their collective efforts to adapt Buddhism to modernity.
[24:00] Challenges of Monastic Life:
Explore the challenges faced by monastic life in contemporary times, examining the recruitment difficulties experienced by all religions, and the evolving role of monks and monastic traditions.
[27:49] Buddhism and Gentle Culture:
Reflect on how Buddhism, with its gentle culture, has garnered global sympathy, acting as a soft power that promotes kindness and interdependence between nations.
[40:24] Tibet-China Relations:
Dive into the complex relationship between Tibet and China, as perceived by Jinpa, Bob, and the Dalai Lama, shedding light on the ongoing challenges and hopes for the future.
[43:20] Buddhism in 30 Years:
Contemplate the future of Buddhism, especially in the absence of the Dalai Lama, exploring the potential directions and transformations the religion might undergo.
[46:36] Optimism and Tibet's Freedom:
Bob Thurman predicts a non-violent, free Tibet in the next 30 years, envisioning Tibet as the jewel of China and highlighting the power of optimism in shaping the world.
[50:44] Harvest of the Day:
Bob Thurman and Dr. Thupten Jinpa share their insights on a simple action that could make the world a better place, emphasizing the importance of easy, accessible acts of kindness and understanding.
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