Podcaster and debater Alex O'Connor engages in a dialogue with Gavin Ortlund on the argument from divine hiddenness. They discuss topics such as divine love, non-resistant non-belief, unanswered prayers, the unique relationship with God, testimonies for God's existence, the human longing for certainty, and the importance of embracing the possibility of God.
God's revelation may be purposefully hidden to foster humility and genuine relationship.
The assumption of non-resistant non-belief lacks consideration of the complexity of faith.
A partially hidden revelation of God can lead to spiritual growth and authenticity.
Deep dives
The Problem of Divine Hiddenness
The podcast episode addresses the problem of divine hiddenness, which is argued to be the most pressing challenge to theism. The argument questions why God's existence is not more obvious and why there is non-resistant non-belief. The argument goes in three steps: describing the argument and its significance, discussing the history of the argument, and presenting three theses in response. The first thesis suggests that God's revelation is adequate for those who genuinely seek a relationship with him. The second thesis highlights the exaggeration or unwarranted confidence about non-resistant non-belief. The third thesis argues that a partially hidden revelation of God could be purposeful and better for our development as individuals and for the nature of genuine relationship with God.
Expectations About Divine Love and Non-resistant Non-belief
The first thesis discusses the problem of excessive expectations about divine love and highlights the danger of setting tight boundaries on how God should reveal Himself. It suggests that an omnipotent and loving God may have reasons for not being completely explicit, and that a sense of ambiguity can actually facilitate humility and genuine relationship. The second thesis examines the idea of non-resistant non-belief and questions the confidence with which it is often presented. It suggests that the argument may lack sufficient consideration of the complex nature of faith and the transformative journey that genuine relationship with God entails.
The Plausibility of Partial Revelation
The third thesis explores the plausibility of a partially hidden revelation, arguing that it may actually be beneficial for our spiritual development and conducive to a deeper relationship with God. This thesis considers the idea that a fully unveiled God may not lead to the desired character growth and personal transformation. It draws upon insights from philosophers such as Pascal and Kierkegaard, who suggest that a modest revelation allows for surrender, humility, and the cultivation of genuine faith. It posits that a mysterious and nuanced relationship with God is more conducive to spiritual growth and authenticity.
The problem with non-resistant non-belief
The podcast episode discusses the view of non-resistant non-belief, which argues that many people are open to believing in God but just don't believe. The speaker disagrees with this view, suggesting that the assumption that people in ancient times couldn't have had sufficient knowledge of God to be resistant to that knowledge is far from clear. He argues that even without perfect knowledge of God, individuals can still resist and have a relationship with God through conscience. The speaker cautions against assuming non-resistant non-belief and emphasizes the complexity of human state of mind.
The challenges of clear revelation and resistance
The second main point raised in the podcast is the idea that a fully clear revelation of God may not necessarily lead to repentance or belief. The speaker highlights the possibility of resistance and self-deception, suggesting that even if God revealed himself with perfect clarity, some individuals may still choose to resist or misinterpret the revelation. Furthermore, the speaker argues that a fully visible or direct manifestation of God may not be a genuine revelation, as the transcendent nature of God makes it difficult for finite beings to fully comprehend or recognize him. The speaker encourages individuals to consider the complexities of belief and the importance of making a rational choice to act in response to the evidence.
Gavin Ortlund responds to @CosmicSkeptic Alex O'Connor on the argument from divine hiddenness.
See Alex's dialogue with Lukas Ruegger from "Deflate" here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Vc1AiY_0Ts
See Alex's debate speech from his debate with Jonathan McLatchie here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu2hvtR5-5M
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Gavin Ortlund (PhD, Fuller Theological Seminary) serves as senior pastor of First Baptist Church of Ojai.
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