This week on Team Human, the conclusion of Douglas's soul-searching conversation with friend and author Walter Kirn. Together, Kirn and Rushkoff explore how disingenuously promoted concepts such as “creative destruction” are used to replace human civilization with a business plan.

What would it mean to maximize human virtues of compassion or intelligence instead of machine virtues like speed and extraction? Is there a higher power, and do we need one in order to value one another?

Check out Walter Kirn's latest essay in Harper's, Apocalypse Always, out this week!

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Music in today’s show: Mike Watt: beak-holding-letter-man , Joshua Sitron and the Team Human Band, R.U. Sirius: President Mussolini Makes The Planes Run On Time, Fugazi: Foreman's Dog

Part One of this Conversation: https://player.pippa.io/teamhuman/episodes/ep-45-walter-kirn-pt-1

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Ep. 46 Walter Kirn Pt. 2 "Toward Human Ends or the End of Humans?"