In this insightful discussion, tech reporter Joseph Cox, known for his work at the intersection of technology and crime and author of 'Dark Wire', dives into the controversial world of encrypted phones used by criminals. He reveals the rise and fall of the AN0M phone, tailored for illicit activity, and the surprising twist of the FBI leveraging it to infiltrate criminal networks globally. Joseph also examines the fallout from Operation Trojan Shield and the ongoing battle between law enforcement and the technologically savvy criminal underworld.