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John Schulman (OpenAI Cofounder) - Reasoning, RLHF, & Plan for 2027 AGI
May 15, 2024
01:36:30
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John Schulman, Cofounder of OpenAI, discusses post-training advancements enabling GPT-4o, AI coworkers in 1-2 years, reasoning traces, long horizon RL, & multimodal agents. Plan for AGI in 2025, keeping humans in the loop, advice for RL researchers, & challenges in AI research.
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- Post-training refines AI behavior for specific tasks like chat assistance, enhancing versatility and content generation.
- AI models progressing to handle complex tasks over multiple files, improving task efficiency and error recovery.
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The Shift Towards AI-Driven Coding Projects
In the near future, models could potentially carry out whole coding projects, transitioning from being search engines to collaborative project partners. While AI models may possess the ability to successfully manage businesses, caution is advised against immediate adoption for running entire firms. The progression towards artificial general intelligence (AGI) raises questions about future strategies and the implications of its arrival. John Schulman, co-founder of OpenAI, highlights the distinctions between pre-training and post-training AI models and their respective contributions to creating versatile personas for generating content and assisting with specific tasks.
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