What if the most destructive concept in modern psychiatry emerged from men lying to get hormones? Mia Hughes traces the shocking origins of childhood gender dysphoria back to the 1960s, when researchers studying effeminate boys were actually chasing ghosts—transgender children who didn't exist. Meanwhile, Stella O'Malley shares her harrowing personal journey as a child who desperately wanted to be a boy, offering a rare window into what gender dysphoria actually feels like from the inside. Their conversation challenges everything: Is this a real diagnosis? Should it exist? And in our current culture, is it too dangerous to leave in the DSM?