In this engaging discussion, Slavoj Žižek, a leading philosopher in psychoanalysis and ideology, and Adrian Johnston, known for his insights into materialism, delve into the intriguing connections between waste and capitalism. They explore why excrement holds symbolic value, highlighting Freud's perspective that links the highest forms of wealth to the lowest forms of waste. The conversation takes humorous turns, touching on topics like the political implications of toilet sanitation and even Japanese hamburgers, revealing how cultural practices shape our understanding of value and existence.
The podcast reveals that our handling of waste symbolizes deeper societal structures, tying excrement management to class struggles and ideologies.
Freud's perspective on excrement emphasizes its connection to sexual development, suggesting a complex emotional relationship intertwined with capitalist systems.
Deep dives
The Philosophical Implications of Excrement
The discussion emphasizes that excrement is not merely a biological process but a profound philosophical issue, reflecting social antagonism and consumer waste. Lacan's assertion that humans uniquely grapple with the complexities of waste management suggests a deeper connection between our societal structures and how we handle the 'excremental remainder.' Zizek's analysis indicates that the very structures surrounding excrement—such as different types of toilets—can symbolize prevailing ideologies in society. The paradox lies in poop being both mundane and excessive, highlighting the intricate relationship humanity has with its waste.
Historical Perspectives on Waste and Class
The podcast explores historical instances of waste management that reveal societal class implications, such as the paid restrooms introduced in ancient Rome. These early attempts at regulating waste highlighted the dignity struggles faced by lower classes, impacting the socio-economic landscape of the time. Contemporary issues, such as the lack of public restrooms in cities, mirror the ongoing class struggle around access and sanitation. The discussion invokes examples of how attitudes towards waste can illustrate larger societal breakdowns, particularly in cities like San Francisco, where public defecation has become a visible crisis.
Psychoanalysis and the Politics of Shit
A significant aspect of the conversation revolves around Freud's perspective on excrement as tied to both sexual development and societal constructs. The notion that the child's first feces represents a 'gift' to caregivers suggests a complex emotional and developmental relationship with waste. Johnston's proposition of a 'theory of shit' aims to marry psychoanalysis with political economy, implying that the treatment of excrement provides insights into capitalist systems. The podcast posits that our discomfort with waste speaks to a broader ideological repression within capitalism, where the dichotomy between shit and gold symbolizes deeper socio-economic disparities.
Contemporary Symbolism of Excrement in Capitalism
The podcast connects the cyclical nature of capitalism with the concept of excrement, illustrating how social and economic systems recycle waste into profit. Examples like the Japanese scientist who created a burger from raw sewage signify a disturbing yet innovative recycling of waste to sustain consumption. Johnston's analysis underscores that capitalism inherently produces and thrives on waste, with each cycle of consumption generating further excess. This relationship between capitalism and excrement not only highlights its absurdity but suggests that confronting our discomfort with waste may lead to a revolutionary understanding of societal structures.
Alright, we’re back…plumbing the depths of psychoanalytic marxism! This week we discuss Slavoj Žižek’s Scatology through Adrian Johnston’s most recent bookInfinite Greed: The Inhuman Selfishness of Capital.
Jacques Lacan points out that we are born between urine and faeces, and that man is the only animal for whom waste disposal is a problem. What is the relationship between money and waste? Freud points out this strange coincidence of the highest form (gold) and the lowest (shit), so why is shit a gift that keeps on giving? What does all of this have to do with Japanese hamburgers & Marx?
We’re talking the political and libidinal economy of shit from the Scatalogical Rites of Nations & the Interpretation of Dreams to Uncut Gems, Cool Runnings, & Laporte’s History of Shit.