The Starfish and the Church 🎙️ Apostles: Generals, Gardeners…or Something Else?
Jun 30, 2025
Alan Hirsch, a leading expert on apostolic leadership, joins Rob Wegner and Brian Johnson for a lively discussion over pizza. They explore the role of apostles as either power-hungry generals or humble gardeners nurturing the church. The trio dives into the dangers of unchecked authority, the need for accountability, and the contrasting styles of apostles Paul and Peter. Hirsch shares personal stories, including a surprising recruitment saga, while advocating for a community-focused approach that prioritizes Jesus' teachings over authoritarian control.
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Power Risks in Apostolic Leadership
- Many charismatic Pentecostal worlds lean towards power-centric apostolic models lacking accountability.
- Such models risk slips into dominionist and empire-building leadership modes.
Chasing Purpose, Not Power
- Many drawn into dominant apostolic streams seek revival and purpose, not power.
- Yet promises of quick kingdom breakthroughs often mask shortcuts to costly disciple-making processes.
Danger of Dunamis and Gnosis
- The fascination with spiritual power and secret knowledge (dunamis and gnosis) often intertwines with occult interests.
- Lack of strong teaching and theology fails to provide necessary discernment and accountability in apostolic leadership.