

#598: What UAPs Suggest About Reality with Jesse Michels
Pines' UAP Journey
- Matthew Pines was initially hesitant to discuss UAPs in the Bitcoin space.
- Now, he actively engages in podcasts about the topic.
The Rabbit Hole Effect
- UAPs and Bitcoin share a similar rabbit hole effect, drawing people into deeper exploration.
- Both topics evoke a desire to share the newfound knowledge with others.
Bent's Bitcoin Obsession
- Marty Bent became obsessed with Bitcoin in college and initially invested small amounts from his paycheck.
- He started a newsletter to educate others, leading to a podcast and his current media company.











Marty sits down with Jesse Michels to discuss UAP disclosure, bitcoin's potential role in Fermi's Paradox, time travel, and more.
Jesse on Twitter: https://x.com/AlchemyAmerican
American Alchemy: https://www.youtube.com/Jessemichels
0:00 - Intro
0:36 - Jesse's show and Matt Pines
8:22 - UAP rabbit hole
15:10 - The pyramid has no top
21:15 - Fold & Coinkite
22:52 - What to focus on
30:07 - Is Bitcoin the Great Filter?
37:12 - Using alien tech
44:55 - Unchained Event
45:26 - Bitcoin mining and difficulty adjustment
1:00:42 - Fixing the Fed with bitcoin
1:12:22 - Swamp draining
1:29:48 - Centralization of disclosure
1:36:28 - Prophecy and telepathy
1:40:34 - What happens upon widespread understanding
1:52:09 - Libertarians - Sovereign Individual
1:55:26 - Time travel
2:13:13 - Cosmic community and manifestation
2:21:10 - Taking the third path
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