Kogonada and Michelle Zauner discuss topics such as the aesthetics of Ozu, the burden of representation, climbing the corporate ladder, knowing when to walk away, choosing joy, surrogate families, and belonging as another way of longing to be.
Creating surrogate attachments and forming a sense of family outside of blood relations through art and collaborative relationships.
The importance of perseverance and completing projects, despite self-doubt and challenges faced throughout the creative process.
Finding a balance between personal artistic expression and audience appeal by intentionally creating joyful and accessible art.
Deep dives
The Power of Surrogate Attachments and Creating Family
The podcast episode explores the concept of creating surrogate attachments and forming a sense of family outside of blood relations. The hosts discuss how art and collaborative relationships can create deep emotional bonds similar to those found in biological families. They draw parallels between the bond they share with their bandmates and the sense of belonging and support that comes with it. They also touch on the idea that family can extend beyond humans to include pets, and how these relationships can be just as meaningful and fulfilling.
The Journey of an Artist and the Importance of Completing Projects
The hosts reflect on their individual artistic journeys and the importance of completing projects. They discuss the challenges faced throughout the creative process and the self-doubts that often arise. They emphasize the importance of perseverance and the satisfaction that comes from seeing a project through to completion. They also encourage aspiring artists to continue making art and not get discouraged by self-doubt or fear of failure.
The Intentionality of Creating Joyful and Accessible Art
The episode highlights the intentional choice of creating joyful and accessible art. The hosts discuss their desire to break away from the broody and melancholic expectations often associated with indie artists. They express their interest in creating art that is playful, theatrical, and fun, while still maintaining their own unique sensibilities. The emphasis is on finding balance between personal artistic expression and audience appeal.
Lessons in Craft and Self-Exploration
The hosts discuss the importance of continually learning and exploring new skills within their craft. They share their experiences of taking guitar lessons and studying music theory to deepen their understanding and abilities. They highlight the value of challenging oneself and the satisfaction that comes from acquiring new skills and knowledge.
Embracing Growth and Openness to New Possibilities
The podcast episode concludes with a reflection on embracing growth and being open to new possibilities. The hosts express their willingness to step outside their comfort zones and explore different creative avenues. They acknowledge the importance of staying true to their sensibilities while also being open to broadening their artistic horizons. They look forward to future projects with a sense of excitement and curiosity for what lies ahead.
Topics covered include: Pocky versus Pepero, Kogonada buying Crying In H Mart for everyone he knows, the aesthetics of Ozu, the burden of representation, climbing the corporate ladder, knowing when to walk away, the nourishing process of making After Yang, Wong Kar-Wai and Agnes Varda’s influence, poeticizing kitchen sink reality, choosing joy, surrogate families, Colin Farrell's innate humanity, and 'belonging' as another way of ‘longing to be.’
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