Garrett Graff, author discusses top secret search for Al Qaeda nuclear bomb. CIA's former chief of disguises talks about her greatest capers. Topics include disguise techniques, use of miniature cameras in espionage, working in the Office of Technical Service, challenging making of 'Argo', capabilities of the Nest Team, and the Dragonfire story.
The podcast discusses the evolution and use of disguise technology in espionage, including animated masks used by CIA spies.
The podcast reveals a secret operation by the Department of Energy's NEST to search for a stolen nuclear device in NYC post-9/11, highlighting the government's lack of transparency.
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The CIA's Former Chief of Disguises and the Mystery Nuclear Search
The podcast episode features an interview with John Amendes, the CIA's former chief of disguises, who shares stories about his career and the development of disguise technology. He recounts one of his legendary stories about meeting with President H.W. Bush in the Oval Office while wearing an animated mask. The episode also discusses the mystery of a Department of Energy Nuclear Emergency Search Team (NEST) being deployed to search for a stolen nuclear device in New York City after 9/11. The government kept this operation a secret from the New York City government and Mayor Rudy Giuliani. Historian and journalist Garrett Graff also joins the show to discuss the incident and his speculative non-fiction book, "Dragonfire," which explores the possible ramifications of a stolen nuclear device in a US city. The podcast touches on the evolution of disguise technology, the challenges posed by biometric hurdles and facial recognition technology, and the ongoing threat of nuclear weapons.
The Evolution of Disguise Technology and its Applications in Espionage
The episode delves into the world of disguise technology and its use in espionage. John Amendes, the former CIA chief of disguises, discusses the development of masks and animated masks that have been used by agency spies. He recounts his experience wearing an animated mask during a meeting with President H.W. Bush in the Oval Office. The podcast also explores the challenges posed by modern biometric hurdles and facial recognition technology, and how spies adapt their operational tactics to counteract these advancements. It emphasizes the constant need for innovation and adaptation in the world of espionage.
The Mystery Nuclear Search and the Repercussions of the Incident
The episode uncovers a little-known incident after the September 11 attacks involving the Department of Energy's Nuclear Emergency Search Team (NEST) being deployed to search for a stolen nuclear device in New York City. The government kept this operation secret from the New York City government and Mayor Rudy Giuliani. Historian and journalist Garrett Graff discusses his book, "Dragonfire," which speculates on the possible outcomes if a stolen nuclear device had been present in a US city. The episode highlights the potential repercussions of such a scenario and the crucial role of intelligence agencies in preventing such threats. It also raises questions about the government's unwillingness to share information about the incident.
The Current Nuclear Threat Landscape and Continuing Concerns
The podcast addresses the ongoing nuclear threat landscape and the concerns surrounding the possession and use of nuclear weapons by various countries. It highlights the evolving tensions and growing capabilities of countries like North Korea, China, and Iran. The episode delves into the potential dangers of nuclear weapons falling into the wrong hands, and the need for robust nuclear security protocols and international cooperation. It also explores the shift from concerns about loose nukes to state-controlled nuclear weapons, and the challenges faced in maintaining stability and preventing nuclear conflicts.
The CIA’s former chief of disguises tells Jeff Stein about some of her greatest capers, and Jeanne Meserve talks with author Garrett Graff about a top secret search for an Al Qaeda nuclear bomb.