A must-listen for anyone currently pursuing (or considering) big goals in their life. Brad and Steve dive into one of their favorite topics: how to strike the right balance between internal and external validation in the pursuit of big goals, and the interplay between identity, ego, and achievement. They give examples of what happens when motivation goes awry. They touch on people like Elizabeth Holmes, Barry Bonds, and Lance Armstrong, and in a nuanced way. And they provide concrete strategies to cultivate the good kind of motivation while minimizing the bad.

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