How to Fix It with John Avlon S2 Ep49: Ken Burns: The Revolutionaries Were Exactly Like Us
Nov 9, 2025
Ken Burns, the celebrated documentary filmmaker, joins John Avlon to explore the human story behind the American Revolution. They discuss how compelling storytelling can bridge divisions and how the Revolution's complexities reflect today's issues. Burns highlights diverse contributions from Black and Native Americans, as well as lesser-known heroes like teenage soldiers. He warns against contemporary misinformation, emphasizing the need for civic education. Their conversation underscores the lasting impact of history on current societal values and engagement.
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Story Trumps Argument
- Ken Burns argues a compelling story can change hearts where arguments fail.
- He uses the Revolution to reframe division and inspire civic renewal.
A Wider, Less Romantic Revolution
- Burns reframes the Revolution as global, violent, and diverse rather than sentimental.
- He expands the cast beyond familiar founders to include many overlooked participants.
Origins Borrowed From Indigenous Models
- Burns highlights Native American influence, like Franklin learning from the Iroquois.
- He stresses the Revolution's ideas spread to enslaved and marginalized people, making rights contagious.