In this episode, Oddbjørn Dybvad, co-founder of REQ Capital, discusses acquisition-driven compounders and their entrepreneurial energy. They explore the risk and return characteristics of these businesses, the influence of geography, and the benefits of decentralization and insider ownership. They also touch on motivating behavior through incentivization structures, the valuation differential between public and private markets, and evolving preferences for investing.
Acquisition-driven compounders generate strong free cash flows that are used to acquire small private firms, allowing them to redeploy capital at high returns on capital for extended periods.
Generalist compounders, who acquire diverse businesses instead of specializing in specific sectors or geographies, enjoy the benefits of risk diversification and foster a decentralized structure that promotes entrepreneurship and autonomy within subsidiaries.
Deep dives
Investing in Acquisition-Driven Compounders
Opium Dabad, co-founder of REQ Capital, discusses the investment strategy of focusing on acquisition-driven compounders. These companies, often family or management-owned, generate strong free cash flows that are used to acquire small private firms. The appeal of these businesses lies in their ability to redeploy significant portions of their cash flows at high returns on capital for extended periods. The decentralized and diversified nature of these companies mitigates risks associated with single exposure, making them more resilient and adaptable. The podcast highlights successful examples of acquisition-driven compounders in Sweden and discusses their expansion into international markets.
Advantages of Generalists in Capital Allocation
The preference for acquiring diverse businesses rather than specializing in specific sectors or geographies is discussed. Generalists, unlike specialists, enjoy the benefits of risk diversification, as they operate across various industries and markets. They invest a significant portion of their strong cash flows into acquiring small private firms, avoiding excessive use of debt. Generalists also tend to foster a decentralized structure with lean corporate headquarters, promoting entrepreneurship and autonomy within subsidiaries. The podcast emphasizes the advantages of generalist compounders that focus on both organic growth and acquisitions.
Characteristics of Successful Acquisition-Driven Compounders
The portfolio characteristics of REQ Global Compounders Fund are explored. These compounders typically have low working capital requirements, outsource production, and have lean corporate headquarters. They utilize a significant portion of their operating cash flows to acquire small private companies. They generally do not issue shares, prefer using insightful metrics for performance evaluation, and maintain modest levels of debt. The companies demonstrate an ability to generate strong cash flows even during challenging economic times, thanks to their decentralized organizational structure. The podcast emphasizes the importance of understanding the organic growth potential and capital allocation strategies of these compounders.
Lessons Learned and Advice for Investing in Compounders
Reflections on lessons learned and advice for investing in compounders are shared. The importance of evaluating management, communication style, and long-term mindset is emphasized. Avoiding short-term trades based on high multiples is crucial. Learning from mistakes and identifying commonalities among them is emphasized to develop a better investment system. Furthermore, the podcast encourages investors to start exploring and analyzing compounders earlier in their careers to capture potential long-term value creation.
In this episode we speak to Oddbjørn Dybvad, co-founder of REQ Capital, an Oslo-based investment firm. Oddbjørn manages REQ’s Global Compounders and Nordic Compounders funds, which focus on acquisition-driven businesses. We discuss the entrepreneurial energy within these companies, why they are able to reinvest capital at attractive rates for a long period of time and how their diversified and decentralised nature makes them both resilient and adaptable.
Show notes:
[01:22] Oddbjørn discusses his career [02:26] The risk and return characteristics of acquisition-driven compounders [04:25] The influence of geography [07:01] Defining the different types of serial acquirer [09:12] Focusing on small/mid-caps with a long runway for redeploying capital [10:41] The diversification benefits of acquisition-driven companies [12:11] A preference for insider ownership, decentralisation and acquisitions funded by cash [13:29] Communicating with investors in a different way [14:53] Key person risk and the sustainability of culture [16:28] Change at Diploma [18:07] Harnessing entrepreneurial energy through decentralisation [20:43] Decentralisation and adaptability [21:59] Motivating behaviour through simple incentivisation structures [24:52] Focusing on track record and management [25:56] Constellation Software and the decentralisation of capital allocation [28:07] The valuation differential between public and private markets [30:51] The attractions of selling to acquisition-driven compounders [33:06] Looking for the dual engine of organic and inorganic growth [35:04] The underlying characteristics of REQ Global Compounders [37:13] Becoming more conscious about evaluating risk and management [39:07] Finding people who are process-oriented and have a long-term mind-set [39:55] Learn from your mistakes
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