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Robert Caro – The master biographer reflects at 91

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Oct 30, 2026

Robert Caro, the celebrated biographer of Robert Moses and Lyndon B. Johnson, reflects on a lifetime spent investigating power. He recounts how Moses evolved from idealistic reformer to ruthless builder, and how Johnson wielded persuasion and political leverage. Caro also discusses cutting vast amounts of research, preserving historical records, and the loneliness of sustained creative work.

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ANECDOTE

How Caro Gets Reluctant Sources Talking

Robert Caro pursued Lyndon Johnson’s first secretary because only he knew what happened during years of Texas campaigning.
Caro used documentary clues, such as Johnson’s handwritten “no, never,” to provoke explanations about political money.

INSIGHT

Political Genius Finds A Way To Build

Robert Moses succeeded not because safeguards were absent, but because he found ways around them through persistence and political ingenuity.
Caro sees political genius as the rare ability to overcome many opponents and make large public projects happen.

INSIGHT

How Idealism Hardened Into Ruthlessness

Robert Moses began as an idealist pursuing beaches, merit-based civil service, and better public access.
Power gradually hardened him until construction mattered more than public opinion, producing destructive projects like the Cross Bronx Expressway.

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Timestamps

(00:00:00) – How Caro gets people to talk

(00:05:03) – Does America need a little more Moses today?

(00:12:42) – Moses the young idealist

(00:17:57) – Watching Moses lose power

(00:24:01) – Did Moses realize he was changing?

(00:27:53) – Building during the Great Depression

(00:32:51) – The threats and promises of Lyndon Johnson

(00:36:08) – Could Kennedy have passed Johnson’s laws?

(00:41:00) – Getting a book down to one sentence

(00:46:21) – All the material that never made it into the books

(00:52:59) – Loneliness

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