Runaway Country with Alex Wagner

Trump Cracks on Epstein Files

Nov 20, 2025
Marina Lacerda, a brave survivor of Jeffrey Epstein's abuse, passionately discusses the importance of releasing the investigative files for survivor healing and accountability. She shares insights into her journey, emphasizing the need for transparency. Joining her is George Conway, who provides legal analysis of the recent congressional bill, detailing potential pitfalls of redaction and the political implications of Trump's sudden support. They explore the fractures within the Republican party and the broader impacts on justice for survivors.
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ANECDOTE

Survivors' Emotional Rollercoaster

  • Marina Lacerda described emotional ups and downs after the votes, feeling relief, anxiety, and grief for other survivors.
  • She said survivors met bipartisan support and felt energized but remained skeptical about full accountability.
INSIGHT

Files Are For Survivors' Healing

  • Marina emphasized survivors need the files for clarity and healing, not just public transparency.
  • She warned release could re-traumatize survivors but is essential to reconstruct fragmented memories.
INSIGHT

Trump's U-Turn Was Political Damage Control

  • George Conway argued Trump acted to avoid a humiliating loss in the House, not from a sincere desire for transparency.
  • He called Trump's move a preemptive PR maneuver to claim he didn't lose control.
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